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I’ve been having an interesting exchange of emails with a fellow I met in The Reiki Cafe. We seem to have differences of opinion on several aspects regarding Reiki, such as whether it is indeed spirit-led (as I was taught) and whether one must have explicit permission to do Reik work (as opposed to intuiting permission). Now, I have no problem with our apparent differences, as my methods work wonderfully for me. However, my new friend made a point about Reiki that intrigues me, and I’d like to hear other people’s experiences and opinions.

He has informed me that other people seem to have experienced Reiki causing harm, such as troubling mental patients (the example given). I have not actually had any experiences with Reiki causing harm or distress of any kind. I know that in Diane Stein’s Essential Reiki: A Complete Guide to an Ancient Healing Art, she mentions a specific incident where someone sent “Reiki” (although they used non-Reiki symbols) despite D.S. asking her not to, which caused considerable emotional and psychological distress to Ms. Stein. Personally, I don’t believe the Practitioner used Reiki – not completely – and all Practitioners are (to my knowledge) taught to respect other people’s receptivity. (And I do consider my *intuited permission seeking* a valid form of asking permission, if I can’t contact the person directly).

My initial reaction would be to think that perhaps the Practitioner was using their own personal energy, or utilizing another energy healing modality. Reiki, first and foremost, harms none. A very fundamental part of my teaching was that Reiki cannot be used for ill. I know that my personal practice has so far supported my teachings.

Another example – this brought up in respect to whether Reiki has divine consciousness, which I firmly believe (but can respect the views of those who don’t) – was the situation in which a person breaks a bone, applies Reiki, and has the bone’s healing accelerate to the point that it becomes difficult to set. I’ve never experienced this personally, so I can’t attest to the validity of that. I know if I would be in that situation, my first reaction would be to give myself Reiki to remain calm and hopefully prevent shock. Does anyone have any experiences with this? I know that my Teacher mentioned an instance where a man cut off his finger and applied Reiki to it on the way to the hospital, only to learn that the wound had healed to the point of being unable to reattach the finger. I wondered if this weighed the ‘lesser of two evils’ (sorry – can’t think of a more appropriate phrase!) of losing the finger or perhaps losing a lot of blood too quickly. Who can be sure? But this is definitely a point I would like to explore more.

On the Reiki Café, a person had asked whether Reiki could be sent to an epileptic. Only one person said NO, sighting personal experience where a child was actually more prone to seizures when given Reiki energy. Others seemed to have experiences supporting the fact that Reiki actually helped reduce seizures. My Beloved, Josh, is an epileptic, and I have given him Reiki every day since I was first attuned. Three months ago, I gave him the Reiki 1 attunement. He has not had a single seizure in all that time. (Granted, he didn’t have them often to begin with anymore – usually twice a year).

Now, all of my personal experiences support the teachings I learned from my Master. Is this just a matter of my experiences resulting from the particular teachings/Tradition that I was attuned to? I find it very odd that practitioners of other schools would have such different results. Can anyone shed some light on this for me?

Cross-posted to A Reiki Journey and MedicineReiki

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flamespirit
Nov. 16th, 2005 11:36 pm (UTC)
A very touchy subject indeed :-) And I know the RC is a particular hot-spot for that topic too. I have lots to say on this - just not enough time to write it all.

Suffice it to say that I do not know whether Reiki can harm or not. But I DO know that there are people out there who send 'Reiki', when in reality it is all sorts of other things, instead of Reiki. They either send these 'other things' deliberately, or quite by accident, because they are not quite in control of themselves. It is these 'other things' which can cause harm in my opinion (and experience). It is for this reason alone, that I think explicit permission should be obtained. If I get time, I may try and formulate my thoughts on this more specifically.

~~~ Namaste ~~~
ahavah
Nov. 17th, 2005 05:45 am (UTC)
On Asking Permission
Flamespirit, thank you for sharing your views on this. I'll look forward to hearing more about it.

Usually when I do healing sessions, I always begin in prayer. I know this is not an integral part of Reiki, but it helps to center me and get into Sacred Space. I always pray that the Reiki be given for the Highest Good of those who are open and receptive. If the energy would not benefit someone, let it be given to one who needs it, or to Mother Earth.

There is only one time when I have felt that I should not send Reiki to someone, and I honored that. It is a method that works for me, and I have only had positive results. If I were to hear otherwise, I would certainly reevaluate that. Whenever I can personally get in touch with the person, I always ask first.

I hope this makes more sense, as I realize I only skimmed the permission issue above.
the_intuitive
Nov. 17th, 2005 07:11 am (UTC)
I can speak to a few specific points on this issue you mentioned, as related to my own experience. I work with individuals with a variety of disabilities including epilepsy. I have had no personal experience where utilizing Reiki for the highest good of the person had any harmful effects. Reiki (frequently paired with crystal grid use) has had only positive results in my personal experiences during the past 5 years.

I keep in mind that so many things can effect Reiki - medication, illness, homeopathic treatments, other interventions, etc. The only situations I have experienced in which specific positions of Reiki can be more "painful" or even less effective is with someone who is near death. Depending on the cause of impending death (pancreatic cancer, injury, etc.), Reiki utilized with the subconcious intent to "help" the person in the physical body can hinder or make more difficult the passing which the soul may be intended to do. Certain Reiki positions can be more painful for people passing dependant on their situation in general, as well.

Speaking only for myself, knowing these positions has come through meditation and intuition. Perhaps a Reiki Master Teacher could speak more specifically to these situations. =)
ahavah
Nov. 18th, 2005 01:01 am (UTC)
The_Intuitive, thanks for sharing your views. I find it very interesting, because I have had the exact opposite experience that you describe in some of your post.

I have had no personal experience where utilizing Reiki for the highest good of the person had any harmful effects.

Good! I can agree with this!

I keep in mind that so many things can effect Reiki - medication, illness, homeopathic treatments, other interventions, etc.

This is the complete opposite of what I learned. I learned that those outside influences Do Not effect Reiki. Reiki is completely complementary to any medication series, surgeries, remedies, etc. In my experience, Reiki only enhances what those things are supposed to do while minimizing the side effects.

Depending on the cause of impending death (pancreatic cancer, injury, etc.), Reiki utilized with the subconcious intent to "help" the person in the physical body can hinder or make more difficult the passing which the soul may be intended to do.

This is why I never try to tell (or 'intend') Reiki what to heal. If a person is ill, I will allow the energy to flow and do what it has to do. I'm of the tradition that believes Reiki does have Divine Consciousness, so I do not need to guide it unless I feel guided to hold it on a certain position or something. Even then, I do not do it with the intent to "cure" the physical illness. Maybe the person needs to experience the illness. Maybe the symptoms are actually being caused by a whole different root illness.

The first healing I did with a dying being was for my neighbor's dog. He was old, a dear friend, and had been sick for a long time. We knew it was coming soon. I sat with him on the couch, holding his head in my lap and petting him. The Reiki flowed endlessly. I did not do it with the intent to heal him; I just offered what I had to give & let him take as much as he wanted. I do feel that it helped him with his pain -- he was wheezing badly in the chest, which went away during the session. He seemed more calm and peaceful, less skittish. We stayed together that way for about 20-30 minutes until he got up to get water (he couls still get around, but slowly). He then went to nuzzle with my beloved and our daughter for a few minutes. I believe he was saying goodbye. He passed 2 days later.

Speaking only for myself, knowing these positions has come through meditation and intuition. Perhaps a Reiki Master Teacher could speak more specifically to these situations.

:) I am a Reiki Master, although I am still early on my Teaching path. I am not doing it professionally (ie: for money) yet, but I am holding classes for friends and family. I'm just beginning to believe that our Reiki experiences will validate whatever teachings we have been attuned to. After cross-posting this on my Medicine Reiki board, which is the specific tradition I am attuned to, I found that all of them had similar experiences to my own. Other people have experience validating their teachings. As in, if you are taught that Reiki is capable of causing harm, you will be open to experiencing it that way. Ie: pain. I have not heard this from anyone else who was taught that Reiki does not cause harm.

It's a striking enigma, to me. I am used to talking with other Medicine Reiki practitioners, so that's why I like hearing the experiences of those from other schools. Thank you for sharing.



the_intuitive
Nov. 18th, 2005 04:51 am (UTC)
In my experience, Reiki only enhances what those things are supposed to do while minimizing the side effects.

I wasn't speaking to a specific "negative" effect of Reiki on other interventions, rather "an effect." My only experience is that it enhances homeopathic treatments, etc. My experience with Reiki and high doses of medication (I'm speaking to the experiences I've had with utilizing it on those taking anti-seizure meds, pain killers, MAOI inhibiters, and anti-psychotics) is that it's almost like the Reiki isn't able to be experienced nearly as deeply as those clients who are not on medication. Frequently, when I've utilized Reiki, I can tell immediately if the person is on one of these medications or something similar.

This is why I never try to tell (or 'intend') Reiki what to heal. If a person is ill, I will allow the energy to flow and do what it has to do. I'm of the tradition that believes Reiki does have Divine Consciousness, so I do not need to guide it unless I feel guided to hold it on a certain position or something.

In my line of work (working with kids who are constantly on the go), I've learned that the "positions" of Reiki are not nearly as important as the "intention" of what I'm doing. Regarding "intention", I think as long as our focus is in the right place, and our concious mind is in tune with the "divine conciousness" of Reiki itself, then I think positions aren't really important. It's when we allow our subconcious to focus on "healing" when perhaps moving out of the physical body is what's intended by the soul. Now, as to whether our subconcious is in the right place, I think that is dependent on the person providing the Reiki and their state of mind. I'll be honest, when it comes to a situation where I'm grieving the loss of someone as they are dying, and I'm not at the stage to let them go, I ask someone else to give them Reiki. I have a friend who asked this of me when her cat was dying because, although she was atuned to Reiki, she wasn't in the right state of mind to provide Reiki. Am I rambling yet?

Wonderful - A Reiki Master! I'm headed in that direction eventually.

I'm just beginning to believe that our Reiki experiences will validate whatever teachings we have been attuned to.

Interesting concept. I think that makes sense. I wasn't taught that Reiki can do harm, exactly, but I was taught that if *I* am in a low energy place it will not be as effective - which makes sense regarding any energy within the laws of even multi-dimensional physics - that we understand thus far =)
ahavah
Nov. 18th, 2005 05:17 am (UTC)
I wasn't speaking to a specific "negative" effect of Reiki on other interventions, rather "an effect."

I'm sorry, for some reason I read that 'effect' as more like 'interference'. Presumption on my part, I suppose.

I've learned that the "positions" of Reiki are not nearly as important as the "intention" of what I'm doing.

I agree completely. Having recently had my second baby, I rarely have an extra hour, hour & a half to do 'full Reiki sessions'. I usually just give bursts of energy to my loved ones throughout the day. Sometimes I will feel guided to hold a certain position, or do them 'out of order' or something like that. Reiki is an energy flow, and I prefer going with the flow. ;)

I'll be honest, when it comes to a situation where I'm grieving the loss of someone as they are dying, and I'm not at the stage to let them go, I ask someone else to give them Reiki.

I can understand this completely. I like to think that I'm at a place where death and I have reached a mutual understanding, so hopefully I would not feel that way. If I did, though, I would certainly follow my heart.


Wonderful - A Reiki Master! I'm headed in that direction eventually.


Fantastic! I'm so very grateful for the path my Reiki Mastership has set me on. It's a wonderful experience.

I wasn't taught that Reiki can do harm, exactly, but I was taught that if *I* am in a low energy place it will not be as effective - which makes sense regarding any energy within the laws of even multi-dimensional physics - that we understand thus far =)

Multi-dimensional physics? Glad YOU understand it! lol

I was also taught not to give Reiki when you are sick, if you can avoid it. Not because the energy is low or because you might transer less-than-perfect energy, but because that involves getting close up to someone and you may be contagious! I actually try to do Reiki *more* when I'm sick, but only on myself (or my car, lol, which needs it fairly often). The act of opening to Reiki heals the healer, so I try to remain open to the flow most of the day. I have read the perceptions lately of people not being able to be a clear channel, claiming that you are ALWAYS transferring your own energy. I don't buy it. When I channel Reiki, I feel it -- that's all I channel. I remove my own consciousness from the situation and just flow with the pure energy. Still, I don't want to be standing over someone breathing on them when I, myself, have Strep or something!
flamespirit
Nov. 17th, 2005 08:11 pm (UTC)
Still not had major time to sit down and write down my long-winded permission arguments. However, something VERY interesting happened last night.

Was having MAJOR period pains and cramps, worst I've had in years, even causing an upset stomach.
Decided to some self-Reiki on my lower belly.
Wow! The pain suddenly increased 10-fold! Unbearable. Tried to grit my teeth and take the pain, as I'm sure the Reiki would have been doing good anyway, spite of the pain. But eventually I just gave up as it was just too much to take.

So here we have a case of Reiki doing more 'harm' than good. Probably not real harm, probably just speeding along the process and so shortening the pain time. But for me and my earthly body, I just couldn't take that level of pain.

Now imagine if someone was sending me the Reiki via distance, without me knowing.
I would have had all this increased pain, not understood it and NO CONTROL over stopping it.
And unless the person sending was a seriously talented psychic, they would not have known about my distress.

This example alone is the reason I believe so strongly in permission.

~ Namaste ~
ahavah
Nov. 17th, 2005 08:21 pm (UTC)
Flamespirit, that's very interesting. I can't say that I've ever had a similar experiece.

Well, I still look forward to hearing your 'long-winded' perceptions. I should let you know, however, that I while I throroughly enjoy mature discussions, I try not to participate in 'arguments' when it comes to other people's beliefs. I'm sure it's just a difference of word-choice, but that's a long time policy of mine. Discussing is fine, but arguing will get me into trouble every time. Especially online.

Thanks again for sharing.

Many Blessings,
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flamespirit
Nov. 17th, 2005 11:06 pm (UTC)
Ahhhh yes....argument....
I meant it entirely as a phrase meaning 'presenting a case'. Think lawyer laying out the facts / figures / experiences from one person's prespective only.
I agree with you...I don't argue, nor fight. I value diversity. It allows me to clarify my thoughts. I operate mainly on a 'feeling' basis and it takes alot to put those feelings into words. Arguments or discussion helps me to do that. So me laying out my thoughts is not an attempt to convert anyone or change their beliefs. Rather, it is an attempt to allow others to do the same - take from me, if they so wish.
This kind of highlights the dangers of the written word, doesn't it.

~ Namaste ~
ahavah
Nov. 18th, 2005 12:20 am (UTC)
:)
I figured it was just a difference of word choices. I wanted to be sure I clarified my purposes, though, because I have seen some "Discussions" (read arguments) on public Reiki forums before. It never turns out right, and I refuse to lend my energies to it.

I have had experiences where people say "I love to argue/debate religion/politics/birth/Reiki/etc." I always make sure to point out that I have no interest in 'arguing/debating', but I am completely happy to Share.

Glad you understood and did not take it wrong.

flamespirit
Nov. 18th, 2005 01:05 am (UTC)
Re: :)
:-)
dying4eternity
Nov. 20th, 2005 02:51 pm (UTC)
I believe it has been mentioned here before, but just because you're recieving pain during a session does not mean that it is causing more harm then good.

Sometimes for the good to be recieved, or the good outcome we desire to occur, we must completely realease everything. Step outside the pain, step outside the existance. While you were doing the Reiki, you noticed the pain, and focused on that. Have you ever had a slight toothache, and noticed that the more you thought about it, the more you felt it and the worse it got?

Maybe in this situation, you should not preform Reiki on yourself, so that you can step outside of the situation... again... release the pain.

An example: Lets say your cramps were because you were having a miscarriage. The energy (theoretically) that your body would use to solve that problem may very well be painful, and may just speed up the natural events of expulsion that must occur.

I don't know how much I can say. I've only done Reiki on myself, fiance and teacher. I'm currently getting my Reiki Level one, and have only had the 1st three attunements, and get the 4th on Saturday. :)
penella22
Dec. 28th, 2005 07:24 am (UTC)
Well, I don't know if anyone is reading this anymore, since I see the last comment was posted in November. But I found my way in here at a time when I am evaluating the concept of "permission" too, so I suppose I might as well write my two cents. I hope everyone is ok with that, even though this is my first 'visit' here.

I am attuned to reiki I and have been for over a year now. When I first received my attunement I was quite enthusiastic about using my new "powers" and ran willy-nilly spreading reiki everywhere despite my reiki master's warning not to. I THOUGHT I heard her, but looking back on it I didn't really get it at the time.

But recently I went to a meeting of Eckankar. Eckankar advertises itself as being about past lives, which was something I was interested in learning more about. I showed up for a meeting knowing nothing more about it than that...and walked into a very uncomfortable situation. It seemed to me as if they were trying to read my mind by force. I could be crazy, i could be wrong, it could just be these particular individuals and not Eckankar in general. The point is, they were so sure that their beliefs were right that they caused me discomfort. It has caused me to reconsider the issue of "permission" much more carefully. And it has caused me to practice reiki with much more care. Granted, I never really had a bad experience while running willy-nilly. But a few small things happened. 1) My boyfriend had some huge emotions come up after a reiki treatment one time, and now flinches when I put a hand on him and reiki flows automatically. I have never given him reiki against his will, but he doesn't feel ready to deal with the emotional stuff it brings up...even though on some level I would guess he is? I don't know why else the reiki would flow spontaneously like that.
2) I gave myself reiki on my forehead several times when driving into work on days when I was feeling so emotionally distressed that I just could not conceive of being able to make it through the shift. Little "miracles" happened a few times...rare birds landing right by my car as I parked...anger dissipating entirely by the time I walked in the front door...the patient I was supposed to take care of being asleep when I arrived...each and everytime i did reiki it was ok. But...

Now its a few months later...and I sense some sort of cosmic balancing act, some "kickback" as it were of some kind. NOW my job has mysteriously turned into me getting all the dificult shifts during the worst hours, or the shifts that pay the lowest etc. Hmmm...what happened? I don't know but suspect I am to blame...that my intent overwhelmed the divine intelligence of the energy? Not sure, just know it went slightly awry;-)

So there are those things to ponder. My course of action now is to follow my intuition. Before I felt compelled to send reiki to every sick person I heard of...every abusive situation I was told about...well, not EVERY but most. Now I don't feel guilty if I don't send. I only send without explicit permission from that person if i feel very strongly drawn to. I do believe that reiki is always "to the highest good." But you have to make sure you focus on that...or at least, maybe it helps to focus on that. I have given reiki to someone recently when I was NOT centered, because i was very ovetired, and it did not work very well. I didn't feel a good flow...well, I did at first and then somehow it went away...

I admire this group immensely for its discussions and lack of arguments. I too have seen arguing on reiki boards and puzzled over the irony of it. Thank you for letting me Share.
ahavah
Dec. 29th, 2005 12:50 am (UTC)
Hello, Panella! Thank you for sharing, and please feel free to stop by and visit my journal any time.

I've never been to Eckankar - I thought it was about vibrations or something, connecting with the AUM. I could very well be mistaken. It has been my experience that most people believe that their way is the 'right' way. Of course it is - for them. Maybe not for everyone.

I completely understand that this is the same with Reiki. I know what you mean about feeling compelled to send it when you hear of something happening to someone. To me, I send it if I feel 'compelled'. I fear I didn't explain myself well enough.

I always ask for permission. I just feel that asking my 'intuition' or 'higher self', whatever you want to call it, is just as effective as getting the explicit permission of someone. There have been times I have felt that I should NOT send Reiki to someone - not many, but I follow my gut every time and do not send energy. I also always pray first, asking that it help those open and receptive, and if they are not, that the energy go to the Earth, or to someone who needs it.

I'm not sure about the karmic kick-back you reference. My opinion is that your difficulties are not cause by your Reiki use. Reiki cannot be used for ill. Sometimes we have to experience hardships because they are *part of our path*. Doing Reiki won't *stop* that, if Reiki does indeed align us with our highest good. It might help us catch on quicker, though. I know that Reiki has not been a miracle cure in my life, but it has changed it for the better in so many ways, that now I deal with my troubles a lot better than I used to. I'm still learning, though.

I know my boyfriend just got over being REEEEAAAAALLLLY sick. He found that it did NOT help him when I gave him Reiki, so he asked that I stop. Of course I did. He was feeling energies a lot more than usual, and he found it overwhelming for him. I still felt the Reiki flow from me - as you did with your boyfriend. I think that is the result of our love, and our compassion for our sick loved ones. If they are not open to the energy, it should not effect them. It is us, in our nurturing roles, that causes the energy to flow. I know it calmed me some, as I was very worried. I also firmly believe that it also helped me from getting sick. I still allowed it to flow, healing me and possibly flowing to our children as well. But my bf did not feel the energy anymore, as soon as he asked to stop.

I agree with you about the irony of arguments on Reiki boards. As with all people, we each have our own set of beliefs that are true FOR US. I appreciate everyone who shares in such a reasonable and intelligent manner. Thanks for your input on this. And good luck on your Reiki journey!
penella22
Jan. 3rd, 2006 05:30 am (UTC)
Ahavah ehyeh,
An illuminating response. Its so nice to know someone else can relate to where I'm coming from. Interestingly enough, soon after I wrote this post, it was made very clear to me, that it was NOT karmic kickback in my situation at work. There was a larger context that I was unaware of that has now taken shape enough that I can see it for what it is. All the little things balancing out at work were really part of my client's journey. He's had alzheimer's for a decade and is now clearly dying...something I have suspected for a month. It is also clear to me that this might be part of my journey...being present for him as he goes towards crossing over. As my time with him is ending, other work opportunities are "magically, miraculously" coming up. The universe is still in balance, and I haven't done anything that went "slightly awry." At least, that's what I now believe. The universe is merely unfolding its grand design.

I'm glad to hear your boyfriend is on the mend. And I agree with you, I too send whenever I feel "compelled." Meaning whenever I have that intuitive urge to do so, because you're right, I agree with you, it is just as good if not better to receive the higher self's permission. What I didn't explain clearly enough perhaps is that when I first got attuned, I felt an urge to save the world...and that is not sustainable. I cannot blindly reiki everyone wther they need it or not, whether they want it or not. It is not sustainable for me at this point in time to always have reiki flwoing...as I walk through a crowd, talk with coworkers, drive through traffic. For me that is too "open" and I need more discipline on having boundaries and conserving my own energy and healing. One of my most neurotic urges throughout my life has been to repeatedly destroy pieces of my life that I have created...by giving too much to someone in need. I think that is finally coming into balance, where I help, but I have self-preservation too.

Interesting that both our boyfriends asked for no more reiki...and yet it still flows. My boyfriend often likes it if it happens "in the moment" just can't handle the "may i give you reiki now?" and then he lies down and I place my hands on him. I do wonder why it still flows even when he says no. Do other people think this is his higher self giving permission on some level?
ahavah
Jan. 6th, 2006 07:34 pm (UTC)
I do wonder why it still flows even when he says no. Do other people think this is his higher self giving permission on some level?

I don't believe that at all. If a person says no, that is their 'higher self' speaking. There is always free will, and Reiki will respect that. You may still feel it flow, either because YOU will benefit from it or just because you are concerned and it is turned on by your compassion and willingness to help, but Reiki will not affect someone who is not open to it.

Allow it to flow, as it is probably helping and healing you. Or perhaps someone else is benefitting from it. I wouldn't worry about it, but definitely don't send it purposefully when someone requests no energy.

Good luck!
penella22
Jan. 19th, 2006 07:43 am (UTC)
I'll keep that in mind. Two or three times, he's removed my hands because they did spontaneously flow and he didn't want reiki. I am just puzzled as to why he would feel that energy if he is not wanting it...Of course I wouldn't intentionally send if someone said no. Thanks for your response...
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