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I've been rereading my EC books, because I have some big storylines going in my ClanRPG and several of us have been...erm...unmotivated in posting there lately. Before my computer broke, I was spending a lot of time updating the website and laying the ground work for some much needed changes in the group. I decided that a reread was in order, both to get me in the right headspace and also because it had been quite literally years since I read it (when Shelters of Stone was just coming out – then I read SoS and lost interest, eep!) Also, since I had no computer, I had a bunch of reading time again.

It was very nice returning to my old favorites, and I've made several striking discoveries along the way. For instance, now that I'm older, I know the stories by heart well enough that on new reads I find I'm paying more attention to the way it's being told. Reading with more of a writer's eye, so to speak. Also, I'm realizing what a very good book Mammoth Hunters is – no really! If you just drop the whole main A/J angst plot-line, the rest of the book is very well told. Valley of Horses was always my favorite and the one I savored most, but I'm really enjoying this read of MH and I almost wish I'd gone slower to savor it even more.

My musings got me thinking about these books and how they might relate to me. It goes beyond squee, fandom for me, and as I was reading yesterday, I toyed with my amulet and tried to recall just how that had happened. Many people don't understand the passions behind fandoms, especially when it comes to fanfic and things like that, and it occurred to me that omgz people might think I'm a big dork! sharing my Journey might give folks some new insight about me. Since I've been feeling pretty far removed from this blog and my f-list lately, I wanted to explore something I never really touched on in depth but that meant a great deal to me, and so I share this with you.



*snorfle*

Ok, sorry.





I tried remembering the first time I picked up Clan of the Cavebear, and I can't. It had to have been in middle school, I think. I was probably 11 or 12 when I first read it. I remember finding it in the school library (I'm surprised about that now, actually), and I vaguely remembered seeing the movie when I was little and was intrigued enough to read the book.

I've always been a reader. I can't remember ever learning how; I always just knew. I wrote my first published story at age 7, when my second grade teacher really liked a story of mine and passed it on to an editor friend of hers. She encouraged me to be a writer, and that's what I wanted. Nothing could incite passion from me as quickly as discovering a new good book. When my step-dad came into the picture, I lost myself in the worlds of both my imagination and others', and I devoured books (especially spec fic) as a means of escape. I hated the world I lived in, and I preferred living in other worlds whenever possible.

Clan of the Cavebear blew me away the first time. Jean Auel is a decent writer, but she's amazing with research. That woman knew her stuff when she wrote, and even the fantastical things were written with believability. At that point, I was too immature to pay attention to how books were written, because I would always get lost in the story and zoom through. I did notice, though, that Auel had pages of description – that, for the most part, held my attention and taught me a lot. I learned a lot about the natural world, and how it once was, reading those books.

Sure, I was impressionable, but the book found me at a crux in my life. My mom had just started getting into her New Age thing, and we were actually having a lot of teas and herbal remedies, so reading about Ayla's training as a Medicine Woman resonated a bit with me and piqued my interest further. We lived in the mountains and were dragged out hiking every summer. Hiking in my family was not like hiking in normal families – for us, it was forced labor while our stepdad dragged us out into the deep woods where fewer people could hear us cry. I won't get into all that here, but it wasn't all smiles and blueberries, although they did have their moments. Usually it was torture, and I wished I had a bit of that freedom that Ayla had – being able to go off by myself, learn how to take care of myself, and just in general have something that I excelled at. I cried much more than Ayla did, but I wished I had her strength and talents. I didn't know she was a Mary Sue then, I just knew that she handled things much better than I did, and I wished I had a bit of Cave Lion totem to me.

As you can possibly tell, I also empathized with her life of abuse. I, thank God, was never sexually abused, but abuse is abuse. I was mainly emotionally/mentally abused, occasionally physically, and people rarely spoke up for me either. Living that as an adolescent girl, and then reading about another adolescent girl in a similar situation, but who overcomes her abuser, really called to me then. Growing up as a child, that's the life I wanted – I wanted to have my own private cave somewhere, a utopia where I could just take care of myself and grow strong. I hated life, I hated society, I hated people. To this day, I'd still be happier if I were living in a cave somewhere. I have plans, if civilization ever falls as everyone predicts. In fact, my dream come true would be to win the lottery with enough funds to buy my own island and start a naturalist tribe where me and any like-minded friends or family could go live freely like that. Hunt my own food, tan my own hides, hold ceremonies, maybe even dabble in somuti...

So I found this book at a crucial point in my life, and it called to me deeply. I devoured it, then Valley of Horses, The Mammoth Hunters, and Plains of Passage in quick succession. Then I started over. They became my favorite escape books, and I couldn't even guess at how many times I've read them in my life.

When I was 16 or 17, I was visiting my dad and hopped on his intarweb for a short bit. I did a search on Jean M. Auel, hoping to find out any new news about the next book. I didn't find any, of course, but what I did find was EC Fans, then called the Auelboard. I spent several years there at the Auelboard, and that was how I learned about the yahoo RPG groups that were popping up. A friend from the Auelboard was the first person to make an EC RPG, the Snow Leopard Camp (Mamutoi – which I tried for years to keep going but it just fizzled). After that, TheClanRPG opened up, and then a quick succession of groups – everyone was on EC crack! I belonged to at least five or six groups at one time, mostly Mamutoi although people started making groups up. It was crazy with all the horses, wolves, falcons, etc. that everyone wanted to have. Everyone wanted to top Ayla, so it got kind of ridiculous boring playing in mega-Sue land. I made up my own people once and had a chick with a bow and arrow, before all the other silliness started, and then I think I started dropping groups (or snarking by sending in my new character who had a tamed Pegasus – hey, there were 'many never named and lost to extinction'. I'm such an instigator.) I even wrote a couple satires, which I've been itching to do again.

And so I had inadvertently joined a community of like-minded fans. I'd never heard of 'fandom' or even fanfic until then. I was always very careful to use only original characters, since Jean Auel is snooty not a supporter of fan fiction (although I was so disappointed with Shelters of Stone that I have threatened to rewrite it better, with slash and making a certain someone Ayla's bitch, just to show Ms. Auel. lessthan90sheep is egging me on, so it may one day happen. I so want to see Ayla invent the first ivory butt plug) – and also because I really like making cool characters and just prefer to play my own. I play many, and I try to make them all unique individuals.

Now when I discovered Orson Scott Card (and later Jacqueline Carey), I had already learned a good deal from being sucked into the EC fandom. The first thing I did was seek out these writers' sites and do some googling for good RPGs. EC started that, and my RPGs have become an integral part of who I am. I haven't stopped rping since I started in Snow Leopard Camp, and I really do feel that they've helped me to become a better writer. I love taking someone's established universe and just being let loose to play in it. It keeps me writing, it keeps me passionate, and it keeps me revisiting my favorite stories.

It's been one or two years since I got my amulet. Well, it's really a Medicine Bag, but in my head I always think of it as my amulet, since that's what I grew up knowing it as. I started feeling I needed one, and I told Josh, who surprised me with one fairly quickly. I don't think of it so much as a Clan amulet, but I love having it to carry around my own special things in. People always remark on it, ask what's in it, then knowingly tell me that I'm not supposed to tell anyone. LOL I say “Rocks and stuff. Things that have meaning only to me.” I've been feeling like I should share my amulet, and I'm contemplating it, but I felt this post should come first.

I play several characters in my Clan RPG, and I'm trying to breathe some new life into it. It's been seven years, I think, and things got kind of slow. We lost a lot of members. I almost gave up, but it's been a labor of love for so long that I couldn't. lessthan90sheep, bless her heart, has been my faithful co-mod for many years and has helped keep it alive when my periodic absences would flare up. Now we have a lot of new storylines coming up, and I'm very happy to have my excitement back about it. I've realized that, like the Clan, our group will quickly become extinct if there's no room for change. The EC universe is so rich and fun that we should be able to tap into that, but Clan life was strictly structured. I already had the most 'accepting' leader a la Brun (Bron, modeled after him, actually, but when I took Bron over from the OP I made him my own), but I've laid the groundwork for some major changes coming up soon. You can get a hint of that in the short story I wrote about The History of Nord's Clan, and we're going to be introducing more people of 'mixed spirits' and allowing more room for change, to make our storylines more exciting and inclusive. I had lots of ideas already, but rereading the series is giving me even more. Some of them devious.

I'm excited about this new chapter. If you're interested, please check out our group and the ClanRPG Website (I'm updating it, so things are in the middle of switching around), and join up! We're going beyond Clan hunting/cooking/coupling and making room for new innovative stuff. We have an 'evil spirit' targeting our women, and Mog-ur is going to insist that they spend more time in women's rituals and exploring their spirituality. Half our Clan is about to be decimated by a Cavebear, and they'll actually end up gaining status while we cull unplayed characters. This is the first time in many years that we've opened up the floor to introducing new characters (as opposed to 'adopting' someone in the cave who wasn't being played), and there are a few good surprises in the mix.

This Clan is close to my heart. I created Mog-ur with a Wolf totem before I found out that Wolf was my own totem, and my character Iba got pregnant both times I did. 'Edie' and 'Iva' resulted, and I played out my pregnancies through her. My character Edra is Mog-ur's sister, who finally realized her dream of becoming a Medicine Woman in her 'retirement', and who is a healer gifted in pregnancy and childbirth. ;) And the leader Bron...well, I didn't created him, but I've played him for so long that he has a wee bit of me in there, too. Poor guy keeps his hands full, and all he really gets from me is giving his mate away, killing another (soon, soon...), and generally just creating havoc in his well-ordered clan.

But it keeps me passionate. :)

Thus is the beginnings of my fangirl journey. It's the tip of the iceberg, really, but it has definitely shaped my life. I wonder...could these books have been the initial seed planted that started my Sign Language journey? Well, I seem to recall the seed being planted before CotCB, but I'm sure it helped lead me that way.

I'm sure I'll make some icons whenever I manage to download GIMP again.

I am going now.

Walk with Ursus.

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jenny_evergreen
May. 30th, 2007 12:18 am (UTC)
I loved those books when I read them in my late teens; not my fandom, but coulda been! :)
ahavah
May. 30th, 2007 12:34 am (UTC)
:) They are awesome. I'm sure Shelters of Stone is even better than I gave it credit for, and I'm going to give it another shot. lol
kailorien
May. 30th, 2007 01:13 am (UTC)
Wow. Your journey, although somewhat simillar to my own, was remarkabley different in other aspects.

I discovered the books at very much the same age, and The Valley of horses was also my favorite, until I grew older and soon realized the excellence of the Mammoth Hunters, and rediscovered The Plains of Passage, which has since become my favorite.

I too, discovered fandoms through these books quickly becoming apart of The Snow Leopard Camp and thourgohly enjoying myself.

Its not that I lost interest in the series, or in Role Playing itself, but I grew tired of waiting a week or so to get a reply to a post and then when all the horses/wolves/villains started turning up I threw up my hands in protest against the incomming flood of marysue and hyperHettie characters.
I tried to revive my passion and play again, but I couldn't do it, things just were no longer the same.
Now I have contemplated joining the Clan RPG, but to be honest, I LOVED Clan of the Cave bear, but actually playing clan is a completely different story, proberly too intricate for me to hold my attention span for a great period of time. lol But you know of course, I wish you best of luck in that place. :)
kailorien
May. 30th, 2007 01:17 am (UTC)
Might I just add that I think SOS also had a huge role to play in my lack of enthusiasm in the series. It was eagerly anticipated for so long, and then when it came out, it was such a HUGE disapointment, so much so that I think over half the fan fiction I read at the Auel Board was far better and to this day I don't really think of it as a part of the series. Ayla and Jondalars journey ends at the end of POP.
ahavah
May. 30th, 2007 02:56 am (UTC)
SoS (Save our Series)
Warning: this could turn into a rant, but I'll try to refrain a little

OH MY GOD. Who didn't loathe Shelters of Stone? Ok, I think I only read it once (*maybe* twice), so I don't know it nearly as well as the rest of the series. I'm looking forward to giving it another chance now that my ire has abated someone over the past 5 years...

Her major problem there was over researching, IMO. Researching & description is definitely her forte, but I feel she got bogged down in the specifics. In fleshing out her passion for the little stuff, she totally forgot the story and let her readers down. For one thing, twelve years? Of course hearts were soaring at its imminent release, so it had to be on or it was going to be a major disappointment.

I couldn't believe that damn near half of the book (again, my perceptions at the time) was devoted to, "And this is what happened in the first books." I wanted to take Jean Auel and shake her by the shoulders and say, "Bitch, we know what happened in the first four books. We've been reading them over and over as we waited for this, so why on earth is this a retelling???" OMG. Seriously.

I read lots of decent fanfic while I was waiting, and I'll agree with you - some (although not at all most) of the writers blew poor Auel away. I didn't keep up with many, but I found a few that I followed and enjoyed. I wrote a couple side fics myself, but it must not have been very distinguished since I don't remember anything. LOL I was railing when I jokingly suggested that I rewrite it with slash & BDSM, but I am thisclose to doing just that. It can't possibly make it worse...

I'm still going to withhold final judgement until I read it several more times. Afterall, I'm a huge Beatles fan and I hated Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club when I heard it. It took me several years before I'd listen to it again, and now I enjoy it a immensely. :D

It makes me sad to see you say "Ayla and Jondalars journey ends at the end of POP." I understand, but it's just so sad. I think Jean had some big plans for the story where SoS picks up, I just wish that she'd gotten to them a bit more in SoS. As I've been rereading, I've been noticing a lot more foreshadowing about that area that I never really noticed before, and I'm really anxious to find out just what happens to Ayla. A lot of promises were made in the first books. Maybe there's more to SoS than I noticed before, too, but if not...she better get to them quickly in the next book. :(

ahavah
May. 30th, 2007 02:41 am (UTC)
I always liked the Mammoth Hunters, I just feel I was dragged down by the unnecessary plot device (trying like hell to avoid spoilers on the off-chance that this post gets someone new to try the books - LOL). I think that for me, coming into it after the 4 books were written, I really didn't pay as much attention to MH & PoP as I should have. The major flaw in MH is so glaring, but on this read I've come to notice that it's necessary for the plot, and instead I just feel she handled it poorly.

The Mamutoi are actually a very intriguing group, and I also really love seeing how she's integrating conscious animal training for the very first time. PoP was good - I always think to myself, 'Damn, that's better than I remember' after I read it again - but I have some inherent bias against traveling novels, I think. Even the first 100 times I read VoH, I'd skim through most of Jondalar's parts to get to the 'real action', and PoP always felt that way to me. Of course, now that I'm older, I'm also much more interested in sociology and LOVE the opportunity to explore the other cultures she's presented. I'm still on MH right now, but I'm already looking forward to reading about the Sarmunai again (I think I'm remembering that incorrectly, but you know who I mean).

I also get discouraged when it takes forever to post, but I'm one of those who can no longer post every day (rapidly improving in that vein, though), so I try to take it in stride and keep interest going with intriguing storylines. I'm honestly surprised that TheClanRPG has lasted so long. Having to plan Clan cannon really puts a hurting on creative opportunities, and I'm SO GLAD that we have a dedicated group of people who are willing to keep it going - and ready to take it in a new direction. I don't know that it's more intricate, but we're definitely working on 'loosening' the strict confines of what's 'allowed'. Hopefully this will revive some passion and draw a new crowd. Please feel free to lurk a bit if you're contemplating it but not sure. We could definitely use strong writers to help us, since things are changing so much right now.

But I also understand if you don't want to. Just putting that out there. ;)

Are you still over at EC fans? I've popped in once or twice since I had my kids, but I just don't have time for it anymore. Of course, it doesn't help that Auel takes decades to complete a book, because all the debating I ever saw on the forums was stuff I already exhausted myself on years ago. :p
kailorien
May. 30th, 2007 04:10 am (UTC)
Nope, I've popped in there over the years, but its like arguing over who's religion is correct, nothing ever changes and no one ever agrees. Wasn't there suposed to have been a 6th book released?
As for fan fiction, I can only remember 2 that I'd written clearly. I still have copies of them somewhere, but I don't think I actually placed the finish product online. I remember being particularily proud of Pray the Girl Child, mainly because its the only LONG novel I've ever completed and still love. Its definately more supernatural based than Jean's books, but by the time it came to write the ending, the lack of Jean material to be inspired by was waning.
I didn't know she wasn't one for fan fiction either, thanks for enlightening me. :)
ahavah
May. 30th, 2007 04:33 am (UTC)
There were to be six books, although I heard after SoS that she's not sure she can finish in one book and may write more. (If she'd written a better SoS, that might not be a problem...)

I don't know if I ever saw any of your fic - what was your name on the Auelboard? I was just Amanda. :)

As for fan fic, I'm not sure I remember all the details. I read several articles regarding it, many years ago. Perhaps she's changed her stance over the years? From what I understood, she was pretty pissed &/or jaded after the CotCB movie. I heard there was a lawsuit and everything. I'm not clear on whether she doesn't like fan fiction in general, or just doesn't like people using her characters, but I was pretty sure that she just wanted everyone to leave her stuff alone. That's the way it came out to me (but then again, I was like 19 yrs old and possibly reading it more harshly than it was...I should look some of that stuff up sometime). It never stopped me from writing my parodies, and it certainly won't stop me from the Legend of Durc story I have flopping around my head, but we make a point in all of my RPGs to respect her wishes and not play her characters.

kailorien
May. 30th, 2007 04:42 am (UTC)
I was Ayla_Faye over there. I remmeber her being pissed off about that movie attempt, but I never read anything about fanfic.

I'd love to read some of yours at some point though. Links?
ahavah
May. 30th, 2007 01:57 pm (UTC)
Oh. My. Mut.

It took me forever to search this thing down. LOL It's on my old website, which is idiotic and from my high school days so please ignore the stupider stuff, but I found my old satire I wrote. I had a couple more, but I'm not sure where they are. Lots of stuff, I'm sure, was lost when the Auelboard switched to EC, but I doubt any of those little fics were my best writing. LOL

I don't know if you read the History of Nord's Clan fic that I wrote for the group. I was pretty pleased with that one. I did another side story in the ClanRPG with Nord's clan, but it was basically just describing their new cave.

Anyways, hope you enjoy! I'm sure I'll write more - I've been in that mood. A lot of my rpg posts are really short stories, and I'm trying to go back through the archives and collect some of the better ones to add to the website. May be a while before I get to that, though.
lanternlady
May. 30th, 2007 01:24 pm (UTC)
Clearly... I've missed something special. This is me.. heading to Chapters at noon.. I see I have found my summer reading :o)
ahavah
May. 30th, 2007 02:58 pm (UTC)
Awesome! Well, I certainly hope you enjoy them. I don't want to look like an even bigger dork if you end up thinking they suck. ;)
lanternlady
May. 30th, 2007 03:00 pm (UTC)
LOL.. not likely my dear. I recall my mom and brother raving about them. Not sure how they slipped by me!
mrdixon
May. 31st, 2007 01:57 am (UTC)
You've never read them!!! Oh you simply must buy the whole series! I devoured these books, and, being married to a healer certainly the books have affected my life. I even met the prof at U of M who helped her with her research, and had a class with his office mate (with whom there were many spirited discussions on the interaction of neaderthal and cro-magnon)

Enjoy
ahavah
May. 31st, 2007 12:30 pm (UTC)
Oh wow, what I wouldn't have given for something like that! You're so incredibly lucky.

So if you're such a fan, you should really come check out our rpg. ;)
mrdixon
May. 31st, 2007 12:56 pm (UTC)
funny how that meeting came about. C Loring Brace, a contemporary and classmate of the leakeys taught a class at UM on the origins of race. Great theory, invited me to his office in the museum of natural history and when I went down the hall I ran into a door that said "stop, authorized personell only", so I stopped. Next day I told him about it and he said, in a very dumbledorish voice "but, my boy, you ARE authorized!"

He completely disagrees with Auels theory of the mixing of the two people groups, but I did get to see genuine Neanderthal artifacts taking from a pit cooking site in France. WOW, it was Cool!

ahavah
May. 31st, 2007 11:30 pm (UTC)
You are SO lucky! lol What I wouldn't have given for a chat like that. I can see how he disagrees, but I like to think they could interbreed. I saw neanderthal artifacts at the museum in Chicago (which I need to post!), and I think - as humans - it wouldn't necessarily have been that far fetched.

All fiction, though, I know. But good fiction. ;)
intrepidrayne
May. 30th, 2007 06:02 pm (UTC)
I read Clan of the Cavebear quite a long time ago. I remember enjoying it, but it was borrowed from a friend of mine and I don't think I ever re-read it. Thus, I don't remember the actual storyline very well. I know the names, but that's about it. I know there are a ton of Jean Auel books at my local library. Perhaps I will try those again.

I looked into some OSC books and the first in the series never seem to be at my library. I don't want to buy them because I have no idea if I will like them. I will keep looking though.

I'm not particularly interested in RP, but I do enjoy reading. ;) Any other author recommendations?
ahavah
May. 30th, 2007 09:07 pm (UTC)
Well I love me some Jean Auel, so I support that wholeheartedly! Just be sure that you read them in order.

For OSC, not all of his books are series, so I could hope you could find one or two of his stand-alones.

As for recommendations, I'm not sure. I tend to find one author I really like and then read everything I can find that they've read. So really, I don't discover new authors all that often. LOL I love reading some of the short story anthologies, though, like Writers of the Future or the yearly Best of Science Fiction & Fantasy anthology. I know that several of Theodore Sturgeon's stories have stuck out for me, and so I plan to see if he wrote any novels. I also like Ray Bradbury. They're both sci-fi, so I don't know if you're very into that. I did a lot of Stephen King reading back in the day (although I can rarely stomach his newer stuff). The Dune series is actually on my reading list, because apparently I'm one of the few people in the world who have never read one.

The rest of my reading material seems to be in the same vein. I do a lot of birthy reading, and can suggest loads of those books if you're interested, or new age/spiritual stuff. The works of Edgar Cayce are pretty intriguing, and I'm trying to work my way through some Ruth Montgomery (but she doesn't call to me nearly as much). Don't know how into any of that you are, but Ted Andrews and Sandra Ingerman have written some of my favorite books. I do enjoy non-fiction, usually in the form of Idiot's Guides books or personal improvement stuff.

And Rumi. If you've never really read Rumi, I highly suggest you get a book (I'm drawn into the books so much more than when I read his stuff online). My particular favorites are The Essential Rumi (Coleman Barks - he's probably the most prolific expert/translator, and any of his stuff would be good) and Love Poems of Rumi.
intrepidrayne
May. 31st, 2007 01:50 pm (UTC)
Hm, do you know the title of any of OSC's stand alone books? I probably would be more interested in alternate history or fantasy/sci fi. :)

I also use to enjoy Stephen King, but I just don't seem to be drawn to his stuff anymore. Some of the books were boring or took to long to get good. As for sci-fi, I like some and I don't like some. I need to find a sci-fi author that I really enjoy. I'm still looking. I'm a bit of a cheeseball. I like my reading, whether it be sci-fi or regular fiction, to have a bit of sexy love mixed in. =)

I may take you up on the 'birthy' reading list some time in the future. Right now it's kind of up in the air as to whether I can ever even have children. I had a recent heart check-up and they want to run more tests and scare me for a while first. :( I know you pointed me in the direction of one of those lists in a past entry. If it looks like I will be able to have children, then I will search through and find that list.

I've never read Rumi. I may look into it, but I don't know much about that so... I may not. :) If I do, I will look for the ones you suggested. Thanks for all of the lovely suggestions. I'm sure I will find some of it for my summer reading.

ahavah
May. 31st, 2007 11:27 pm (UTC)
Hm, do you know the title of any of OSC's stand alone books? I probably would be more interested in alternate history or fantasy/sci fi. :)

Hart's Hope is a stand-alone, and I only read it once and remember that I really thought it was awesome. I'm trying to get it again. If you like sci-fi and you've never read Ender's Game, you MUST. It's the first in a series, but it's one that everyone needs to read (and I hear it's being made into a movie...) If you like alternate history, you really should try the Alvin Maker series. I know it's a series, and you may not even get dragged into it, but the universe he created is just extremely awesome. Seventh Son is the first book, and it's good. Personally, I really enjoys his Women of Genesis series, and I thought he did really well writing from women's point of view - and I was impressed at how strong he made the heroines. It's also a series, but each book really stands alone. I think I've read all of them but one, but I'm not sure which one I didn't read. lol Enchantment is a retelling of Sleeping Beauty, and it's been a long time since I read it but I think I enjoyed it fairly well. Songmaster, Magic Street, Treasure Box, & Lost Boys are all also stand-alones, but I haven't read them yet. Lost Boys may be triggering, I think - it's about a child that dies, and it was written after OSC lost his youngest (I think) son.

I'm sorry to hear that you've been scared a bit, but I'm sure your body is strong. I've seen your hiking and biking pictures, and I read the post and tried to comment at my own house but I couldn't get the page to load. I had a heart murmer in the past, and it was never really a cause for concern. I only need to get signed permission from the doc for dentists to treat me. 0_o

I'm glad you like the suggestions. I hope you're able to find a couple new things you enjoy. :D

btw - which Kushiel book were you missing? I have all three now, so after I read them again (for Justice!!!), I'd be happy to loan you one of mine.
intrepidrayne
Jun. 1st, 2007 01:45 pm (UTC)
I'm going to have to write down a list. I will definitely look for Hart's Hope. I'm starting to get excited about my summer reading! woot! I've seen some of the ender's game series at my library, I will try that series for sure. As soon as the first one is back in. The Alvin Maker series is in my local used book store. I don't think the first one was there when I checked, but I'm sure it will show up.

Thanks for the encouragement regarding my heart issues. I really was overly optimistic about it all. The heart murmur is just a new and scary thing that I don't know a lot about. I also read more regarding my actual heart condition and it was a bit more scary. I do feel fairly healthy and strong. I try to be active and to stay away from things which would affect my heart. It just came out of nowhere and I was expecting them to say sure you can have babies you silly girl. Instead they said I had to get a number of tests etc. I was used to doctors in the past exclaiming over how well I was doing and it was a big reality check. As for dentists, I've always had to get antibiotics before seeing them. The doctors are all very careful with me. I don't want to be fragile, I want to be incedibly healthy and strong. Sorry for babbling on about it, but no one seems to want to let me rant about it. I was with two of my good friends yesterday and I knew that one of them had read my post about it and not commented because she never comments. The darn girl didn't even attempt to bring it up! What are friends for if not for letting you get everything off your chest??? Woops, was that another rant? I promise I will stop. :)

I have only read Kushiel's Dart and I would like to read the next one, but my library doesn't seem to have the next one. I think you can order them in from other libraries in the network though, so I might try that. :)
ahavah
Jun. 1st, 2007 02:37 pm (UTC)
Don't ever apologize for sharing with me!! I'm honored :) - and everyone needs to release. I'm sorry your friends are flaking on you. I know how that is.

Well, I hope that everything ends up just fine, and that you're able to realize your dreams. It's good to stay on top of any condition, but the medical approach tends to look at birth as an 'emergency' even without mitigating factors, so I urge you to do your own research, know your own body, and come to your own conclusions/choices. I know it's a hot button for me, so I'll try to refrain from butting in when I don't know the whole story. ;) I'll just say I have faith in you, and I'm sure you'd take care of yourself & a baby. :D

I hope I can turn you on to a couple of good books. Nothing makes my heart soar more. Let me know if you can't find Kushiel's Chosen, and I'll mail you mine. I have lots of books I'm reading, so I shouldn't miss it too much for a while.
mrdixon
May. 31st, 2007 02:01 am (UTC)
It is so interesting how things come together. I was discussing the interactions between Neanderthal and Cro-magnon with a 16 year old girl in class today, and just happened to mention she should read "Clan". I loved those books, and they changed my life.

I got to meet the prof who helped her with the research, and listen to him and his office mate argue. Nothing like hearing two incredibly well educated old prof's arguing like old women (Dr. Brace looks like Dumbledore...seriously!)

I think an RPG of Clan would be a little too much for me, no one can come up with the tune of the song they sang while walking the Wooly Rhino back to the settlement! I still sing that song!

Thanks for bringing back some great memories!

Blessings,

Dix
ahavah
May. 31st, 2007 12:34 pm (UTC)
no one can come up with the tune of the song they sang while walking the Wooly Rhino back to the settlement! I still sing that song!

I'm not sure I recall what you're talking about. The Clan didn't sing. Was that in the movie?


Thanks for bringing back some great memories!

My pleasure! I love the synchronicity. :D

And I hope you change your mind about the rpg... lol
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