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Women Supporting Women in South Dakota

Thanks to ladysmith for alerting me to this Oglala Sioux rebuttal to the blatantly illegal South Dakota Abortion Ban :

Tribal Sovereignty vs. Christian Patriarchy

The South Dakota abortion ban has a new twist to it. Oglala Sioux Tribal President Cecilia Fire Thunder (a former nurse and healthcare giver) has decided to defy the mostly white and male state government who are deciding the fates of women in South Dakota. Fire Thunder is planning to open a Planned Parenthood on the Pine Ridge Reservation outside the jurisdiction of state law.

"To me, it is now a question of sovereignty, I will personally establish a Planned Parenthood clinic on my own land which is within the boundaries of the Pine Ridge Reservation where the State of South Dakota has absolutely no jurisdiction." - Cecilia Fire Thunder

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nedia782
Mar. 24th, 2006 04:33 am (UTC)
Wooo-HOOOO!!!!! That is so AWESOME!!!!! Is it normal to smile when you hear of a new abortion clinic?..
ahavah
Mar. 24th, 2006 05:11 am (UTC)
I think it's sad that it's resorted to this.

Personally, I consider myself a pro-life pro-choicer. I find abortion morally wrong, but I don't feel that the government needs to tell women what to choose. I wouldn't have one, but I'll not force my beliefs on others. That's between them, God, & the baby.
nedia782
Mar. 24th, 2006 02:45 pm (UTC)
Right. I dont think anyone who is pro choice is all gung-ho about a woman aborting a fetus. Its really disturbing that alot of pro-life people automatically equate being pro-choice with being anti-baby. I think its horrid and I REALLY dont agree with late term abortions for non-medical reasons, but its exactly like you said, I dont think the government has any right to tell a woman what she can and cannot do. Scott and I argue about it all the time, and its just sad that there isnt any middle ground. I also dont understand how evangelical christians can want NO sex education other than abstinance, and then expect the abortion rate to plummet...?.... I need my coffee for all this ;)
ahavah
Mar. 24th, 2006 02:59 pm (UTC)
I don't see why there can't be a middle ground. I'm Christian - granted, my church isn't even close to mainstream. But I totally believe in the separation of church and state. I believe in God, I prayed in school, but I don't feel there should be school-led prayer. I wouldn't, say, read a book making fun of Jesus, but in no way do I support censorship, and I'd fight for your right to read it if you wanted.

Frankly, having such deeply held religious beliefs is awesome. You may get big kudos in the afterlife for it. But that's YOUR business, and other people's FREE WILL choices are THEIR business. That's what life is all about.

Besides that, legal abortions are much preferrable to coat-hanger abortions. *shudder* If it's going to be done, let's at least be healthy, offer counseling, and be compassionate.
nedia782
Mar. 24th, 2006 03:13 pm (UTC)
Right (on the hangers). I said evangelical christians, not all christians. Evangelical christians are are the ones who push legislators for abstinance only education in shcools, as well as believe that their bible IS law, and anything else is unacceptable. My dads side are all southern evangelical baptists, talk about crazy!! (but I love them) Im very cynical of orginaized religion, more so now that my partner is atheist, (but very spiritual). I dont think that christians are bad people because of their beliefs, I think evangelicals are crazy, lol. There should be a middle ground I agree, but how do you have that without infringing on someones rights on either side of the issue...?.. Scott and I mostly argue about a mans right to a fetus, or lack there of, that was hte kind of mi ddle ground I was speaking of, thats a hot topic in our house ;)
ahavah
Mar. 24th, 2006 03:20 pm (UTC)
Ah, you're right - that's hard to find middle ground. As a doula, I'm compelled to support a woman's right to choose what she does with her body. But on some level, I do agree with Scott. If one of the parents wants to provide a loving home, they should have that opportunity to do so (providing they don't start legally declaring child support and all that mess).

I'm probably biased, though. My uncle, when he was really young - about 15 - got his then-girlfriend pregnant. She left and gave the baby up for adoption without telling him. He wanted that baby, and I know it was something he never really got over. Whatever happens, though, it's a *personal* decision for the parents to decide - not Big Brother. :P
nedia782
Mar. 24th, 2006 03:37 pm (UTC)
Agreed :) I can understand if a woman carries her child to term and THEN gives the baby up for adoption, to me thats automatically the fathers baby he should have it no questions. Where we get into our debates is when a woman becomes pregnant and wants to abort, but the father wants the baby. Even if he does adopt after the baby is born, should a woman have to carry the child for 9 months? Thats where we have our problem. I totally conceed that its a f*ucked up world when a man has to stand by as his child is aborted, but whats the alternative? I only thing I can think to say to scott is this, and its pretty shitty...The only type of birth control options a man has is to not impregnate someone. He only has control over where his sperm ends up, so he should think long and hard on what kind of emotional situations he wants to get into. Its a shitty thing to say, but really what other options are there?
ahavah
Mar. 24th, 2006 03:57 pm (UTC)
Exactly. Your only option is to make sure both of you are mature enough and have good enough communication before falling into bed. Sadly, that's not a big priority in the world today. :(
zjande
Mar. 24th, 2006 08:34 pm (UTC)
just a quickie comment
Wow, that's awesome! Thanks for sharing the links!
It's funny how similar my situation is to you guys. My boyfriend & I also argue over the subject, when we even allow ourselves to discuss it at all, knowing what opposite sides we exist on in regards to it. I'm adamantly pro-choice, he is not. I personally find abortion tragic & don't think I could go through with one myself, but also agree that it a woman's right, & no MAN or government should tell women what to do with their bodies. And I'm thankful that I HAVE the right to decide whether to have my babies or not & was not ordered to have them by the govt.
(Anonymous)
Mar. 24th, 2006 06:02 pm (UTC)
This is great
Grass roots movements rock.

Deb @
http://drdeborahserani.blogspot.com/
ahavah
Mar. 24th, 2006 08:48 pm (UTC)
Re: This is great
Thanks for stopping by Dr. Deb! I'm always glad to see you!
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