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LJ, Must I Quit You?

I'm loath to quit my LJ since I shelled out like $300 for a permanent account long ago. Plus, I don't think dreamwidth cross-posts to FB, and I still sometimes hope people might be following along. I've kind of lost track of friends after quitting FB, and that upsets me.

Anyway, this new user agreement...I'm not sure I understand what the big deal is. It says it's not legally binding, but it also says shit has to be in accordance with all these Russian laws, which of course I don't know and they don't really explain what it is. I've accepted for now, but I'm seriously contemplating deleting my account. Russia just keeps doing hinky shit, especially here in the US, and I don't want to inadvertently support them or give them ammo to let the US head further down the path of subjugation (by them or our own government...).

What to do, what to do? I wish I could have my 300 user icons over here. I don't want to pay for DW when I have a permanent LJ, but I don't want monthly payments of anything, which is why I saved up for a permanent account. I wanted it permanent.

But Russia -- Oh, wait, I'm probably not allowed to say what I want to say about Russia.

Here is an independent translation someone found, if you're interested: https://digitaldiscipline.tumblr.com/post/159171049669/suricattus-majesticduxk-hey-there-other-lj

I've not seen any changes since the servers switched to Russia, which makes me think, eh, this ain't a big deal. But I've seen changes in my COUNTRY since Russia started being extra hinky again, and some of that stuff in the new user agreement seems hinky. If, as mentioned in that link, only the fact that they want us to sign something that hasn't been properly translated into our own language and doesn't explain the laws in effect which concern us in other countries.

No 'promoting pornography'? I had a kinky blog and post all manner of sex-positive stuff, including pictures. They hate gays -- are we allowed to even mention being not-straight? What's this with identifying bloggers? Observe the honor, dignity, blah blah of corporations? SAY WHAT? I've heard that it says they get access to use our content, but I don't see that -- then again, it's 6-something a.m. and I don't speak legalese, so maybe I missed it.

I'm still up in the air. I would love to hear your thoughts on whether it's necessary to delete if one is a non-Russian citizen who appreciates privacy and democracy.

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adoptedwriter
Apr. 6th, 2017 12:16 pm (UTC)

I'm here for now but I agree the political dealings make it uncool.

ahavah
Apr. 6th, 2017 12:26 pm (UTC)
There's a lot of questionable stuff in that translation. I'm here for now...but I'm increasingly thinking it's maybe just a warning so my friends will know I'm leaving. I'm leaning heavily toward deletion after reading that other translation. It makes me sad, especially that I would lose access to old friends' journals, but very few friends are left here anyway. Feel free to join me over at DW! I was glad they let you back up your entire LJ. Now I don't hesitate *nearly* so much to delete and move on, knowing I still have old posts.
browncouch
Apr. 6th, 2017 12:54 pm (UTC)
I backed up on DW and felt really gross about the whole thing. It's not legally binding outside of Russia, but I feel a bit unsafe. Is that irrational? I think eventually nothing will happen and we will feel comfortable with our old LJs again.
ahavah
Apr. 6th, 2017 12:57 pm (UTC)
It's not true that it's only binding for Russians though, is it? If we agree, we're bound by the new agreement -- and you HAVE to agree to access your journal.

I'm hoping that it will end up being nothing, but I hate to support a site that is actively targeting others (and Russia's government does actively target dissidents on social media). I'm torn. I also remembered that my scrapbook here has tons of pics, and I'd hate to lose that option as well. But I don't like supporting sketchy companies. LJ is going way down the road of sketchy lately.
browncouch
Apr. 6th, 2017 01:02 pm (UTC)
Man, I don't know anything but I feel the same as you do. I have to let it slide for now, because I don't want to be anxious about a website. I'm open to both leaving and staying at this moment.
llblckraincloud
Apr. 6th, 2017 02:37 pm (UTC)
Honestly, I think the only thing USA people need to be concerned about is spontaneous deletion for publishing something the Russians might not like. Can't do much more to us than that. People elsewhere might have other issues depending on where they're at.

For now, I'm keeping it, though it's mostly to see what happens in the transitioning phases and to make sure I don't leave anyone behind. We'll see what happens.
ahavah
Apr. 6th, 2017 02:42 pm (UTC)
That's my thought as well, but I guess I just don't like the idea of coasting on privilege when others are being targeted. Assuming others are indeed being actively targeted. I'm still not 100% clear on that, but some European friends have told me this is happening, though perhaps not yet on LJ. The rules have just changed though.

It's like, are my icons and scrapbooks more important than standing against bullshittery? I guess that's where my head's at right now. I don't know. I really loved LJ back in the day and got a permanent account for specific reasons, but I don't like supporting or implicitly agreeing with a company that apparently targets a great many of the things I like and people just like me.
llblckraincloud
Apr. 6th, 2017 02:47 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I don't like that either. And you never know. I know the climate in Russia is very different in terms of what is considered free speech, etc.

Can you take all of that off and save it somewhere on your computer? I know not having all of them uploaded sucks, but you can go through a rotation, etc. Same with the scrapbooks. There are other places to house those. It sucks that you're out the money for the permanent account though :(
ahavah
Apr. 6th, 2017 02:54 pm (UTC)
I can keep them, but the pics would disappear from all my DW posts. Plus I'm not sure where to store them online (in case of comp problems). I used to have a flickr, which I could maybe figure out the password to, but it changed so that you can only see the most recent photos unless you pay. I quit using it when they did that. I guess it'd be a place to house stuff on my blog and I'll just be careful with tags so I can find them again.
llblckraincloud
Apr. 6th, 2017 02:57 pm (UTC)
I've used dropbox, photobucket, and google drive to hold pictures. I basically upload them into a bunch of different websites so I don't lose them. But I also have this irrational fear that the internet is going to implode in general some day. DW might start getting more of those features though if they get more financial support for developing.
ahavah
Apr. 6th, 2017 03:25 pm (UTC)
Ooh, I didn't even realize google drive hosted pics now too. I'll have to check that out.

I'm still on the fence, but I'd probably swap completely if they offered a permanent account. I just can't afford another regular bill for plus or premium or whatever they call it over there.
llblckraincloud
Apr. 6th, 2017 03:34 pm (UTC)
Yeah, you can upload folders of them. You can't link those pictures, but they're downloadable for future use, etc.

I can't either. It also is dependent on the features offered.
ashmedai
Apr. 6th, 2017 05:30 pm (UTC)
Pfftt - I'm not leaving LJ because of that, and I am LGBT and appreciate both privacy and democracy. But LJ is my virtual home (I too have a permanent account), and I'm not being driven from my virtual home just because the landlord happens to be an asshole.
ahavah
Apr. 6th, 2017 06:00 pm (UTC)
I like the way you put that! That's also a good way to look at it.
ashmedai
Apr. 6th, 2017 07:05 pm (UTC)
Thanks! :)
not_ruined
Apr. 6th, 2017 07:45 pm (UTC)

I'm not leaving yet and I'm gonna post whatever I want. Gay porn and the like.

ahavah
Apr. 7th, 2017 10:05 am (UTC)
This may be the best answer yet.
maadmike
Apr. 6th, 2017 09:55 pm (UTC)
It is sad that the politicians around the world are making the social networks a place of their interests and fights with eatch other as they previously did with TV filling it with their propaganda, restrictions, brainwashing advertisement making watching TV absolutely useless. So seeing such things starting happening with the Internet make me annoyed incredibly.
If all the English speaking people will leave LJ Putin and Medvedev could write each other how honest they are...
I am thinking also to stop all activity in Internet, not because I am afraid it will be dangerous for me or impossible to do something but because it is obvious that we are posting, spending time in Internet at any moment could be cut out of everything we and our friends did. It could happens as at Facebook as at any other part of Internet, so I am thinking is it worth to spend my time at Internet at all maybe it will be much worthy to spend more time on my site for a change... I still thinking...
ahavah
Apr. 7th, 2017 10:08 am (UTC)
See, my problem is that I don't have a lot of friends where I live locally. Most of my friends are internet friends. Or RL friends and family that I've moved away from. I have to be online to keep any good connection with humanity.

I don't know how bad US tv has gotten lately. I watch everything online anymore. Skips all the political ads and I avoid the BS news stations as much as possible. I guess the internet keep me informed in that department too. So far. I sincerely hope that never changes.
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